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Joy Reid invites CRT opponent Christopher Rufo onto her MSNBC show but barely lets him speak

Joy Reid finally invited Critical Race Theory opponent Christopher Rufo onto her MSNBC show as the two clashed in a fiery debate – both speaking over each other.

The appearance came after Reid had lashed out against Rufo, for making what she called ‘White Man Demands’ after he challenged her to invite him on her show.

Rufo has been working to expose ‘critical race theory indoctrination’ in American companies and institutions including government agencies for at least a year.

He has used whistleblower documents and spoken to people who have undergone substantial amounts of ‘antiracism training’ in an attempt to prove there is systemic racism and white oppression both within education and corporate America.

Reid started the verbal matchup by playing a clip of Rufo saying ‘I don’t give a s**t about this stuff’ during a conference appearance.

‘So you don’t give an ‘s’ about this stuff, you’re really just having a campaign to take everything that annoys white Americans -,’ Reid said before she was cut off by Rufo.

He said: ‘No that’s not right. No that’s not right, no.’

Joy Reid finally invited Critical Race Theory opponent Christopher Rufo onto her MSNBC show as the two clashed in a fiery debate – both speaking over each other

Reid then holds up her hand in attempt to have him let her finish her questions before he answers as she continues to try to talk.

‘You played my highlight reel. You played my highlight reel. Give me a chance to respond,’ Rufo says.

‘What I don’t think is right is that forcing eight years old in Cupertino, California to deconstruct their racial identities and rank themselves according to power and privilege.’

Reid then responds: ‘That’s not Critical Race Theory.’

‘It’s intersectionality theory which was invented by Kimberlé Crenshaw which is a part of Critical Race Theory,’ Rufo says.

Reid then says: ‘That’s intersectionality. It’s a separate thing.’

When Rufo tries to say that Intersectionality Theory and Critical Race Theory are the same thing, Reid responds: ‘No It’s not, dear. It’s not.’

Rufo then points out that Reid had Crenshaw on her show and that Reid should know that the theories are the same thing.

‘Yes, she invented both things. She invented both things,’ Reid responds.

Rufo then says: ‘And here’s the bottom line, Joy. What you’ve done in tonight’s segment is exactly what I’m fighting against. I’m fighting against the manipulation of language. I’m fighting against language deconstruction.’

‘Right, you’re fighting against ‘wokeness’ and ‘corporate wokeness’ et cetera. I get it,’ Reid responds.

The appearance came after Reid had lashed out against Rufo, for making what she called 'White Man Demands' after he challenged her to invite him on her show.

The appearance came after Reid had lashed out against Rufo, for making what she called ‘White Man Demands’ after he challenged her to invite him on her show.

After the appearance, Rufo continued to try to keep up the debate on Twitter

After the appearance, Rufo continued to try to keep up the debate on Twitter

Rufo adds while repeatedly cutting off Reid as she tries to get in her questions as the host of the program: ‘Because otherwise you just say whatever you want, and you back away from it, and you dance around it. It’s not going to happen.’

‘Parents all over this country know what’s happening in schools. They know what’s happening in public institutions and you’re seeing people revolt against this divisive identity politics and you can dance all you want but you’re to going to stop people from knowing what’s happening in classrooms,’ he continues.

Reid then responds: ‘I actually appreciate that you said that because, Christopher, you admit it yourself. You’ve taken all these wokeness moments, the corporate wokneess of it, woke money, woke capitol, the things that annoy conservatives and you’ve stuffed it all into the name Critical Race Theory. It’s almost the Cristopher Rufo theory. You stuffed it all in.’

Rufo interjects: ‘The Christopher Rufo Theory sounds fantastic.’

Reid then reads off a Tweet that Rufo had posted which reads ‘The activists are realizing that their ideas once put into practice are now generating discontent’ while adding that is what Rufo had just described.

CRITICAL RACE THEORY: WHAT DOES IT MEAN?  

The fight over critical race theory in schools has escalated in the United States over the last year.

The theory has sparked a fierce nationwide debate in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests around the country over the last year and the introduction of the 1619 Project.

The 1619 Project, which was published by the New York Times in 2019 to mark 400 years since the first enslaved Africans arrived on American shores, reframes American history by ‘placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the center of the US narrative’.

The debate surrounding critical race theory regards concerns that some children are being indoctrinated into thinking that white people are inherently racist or sexist.

Those against critical race theory have argued it reduces people to the categories of ‘privileged’ or ‘oppressed’ based on their skin color.

Supporters, however, say the theory is vital to eliminating racism because it examines the ways in which race influence American politics, culture and the law.

She then read a couple of other tweets from Rufo which read: ‘We have successfully frozen their brand – ‘critical race theory’ – into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category.’

‘The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘critical race theory.’ We have decodified the term and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans,’ Rufo had tweeted.

Reid asked: ‘Aren’t you just taking the woke stuff that annoys you and calling it Critical Race Theory?’

Rufo then does not give a clear response, instead giving a nonsensical lecture about pedagogy.

‘No, not at all. The idea of the codification and the decodification comes from the critical pedagogist Paulo Freire and my strategy is to take these techniques and use them against their own ideology. And I’ll tell you, Joy, my strategy has been enormously successful. According to The Economist magazine poll, 64% of Americans now know what Critical Race Theory is of which 58% of them –,’ Rufo says before Reid then cuts him off.

Reid says: ‘No, they know what Christopher Rufo Theory is. You made up your own thing, my friend, you made up your own thing and I’m going to give you credit for one thing: You did create your own thing. 

‘Not a lot of guys in their 30s created their own thing, labelled it something that already existed as a name, slapped that brand name on it and turned it into a successful political strategy. You’ve done that and its creating a lot of hell at school board meetings, but you did accomplish that,’ she added.

Rufo then said: ‘I’ll give you the position as the most prestigious Christopher Rufo Theory scholar in the world. I hope next time you give me the chance to complete at least two sentences.’ 

After the appearance, Rufo continued to try to keep up the debate.

He tweeted: ‘Joy Reid turned the gaslight up to 100 tonight. She claimed that critical race theory isn’t taught in schools and that intersectionality, critical whiteness studies, ethnic studies, and critical pedagogy have nothing to do with CRT. Let’s deconstruct her language games.’ 


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