Tucker Carlson has revealed that UPS told him it found his lost Hunter Biden documents on the floor of a shipping store in Manhattan, and is demanding answers about how the flash drive came loose from a sealed package.
On his show Thursday night, the Fox News host updated viewers on the saga, a day after revealing that the purportedly damaging documents had been lost on Monday while being shipped from New York to Los Angeles.
Carlson revealed that the documents ‘pertaining to the Biden family’ were not received from Hunter’s ex-business partner Tony Bobulinski, whom he interviewed in LA on Monday. He also said that his producers had made a copy of the files before attempting to ship them.
The host did not reveal any of the contents of the documents on Thursday, saying ‘we wanted to assess what we had, and we’re still assessing it’ for credibility, newsworthiness, and any potential legal issues.
Tucker Carlson has revealed that UPS told him it found his lost Hunter Biden documents on the floor of a shipping store, and is demanding answers about how the flash drive came loose
UPS claimed an employee found the flash drive on the floor of this Manhattan store, and dropped it on the desk of a supervisor, where it remained unnoticed until Thursday
Hunter, pictured with his father in 2016, was exploring business deals around the world while his father was vice president, according to documents and witnesses
Though UPS found the lost flash drive, Carlson expressed outrage over the lack of information about how it was lost, saying that two people verified it had been sealed inside a shipping envelope before being dropped off for shipping.
‘Unfortunately we still don’t know what happened,’ Carlson said. ‘UPS is a reliable company, they rarely lose anything,’ he added. ‘And yet they lost our Biden documents. How? UPS won’t tell us how.’
Carlson said UPS executives told him on Thursday that an employee at the Manhattan store on 43rd Street had found the flash drive on the floor, and had dropped it on a supervisor’s desk.
The executives said the flash drive remained on the desk until Carlson took his complaint public on Wednesday, suggesting that the documents may have been intentionally intercepted.
However, Carlson said that the shipping company refused to offer further details, telling him in a statement: ‘There are no more details. Security is returning it. Apologies again that we were unable to deliver it next day at the service level you requested.’
Carlson said it was ‘unlikely’ that the package was torn open by a machine, something that UPS says almost never happens.
‘How did our flash drive get separated from the package it was sealed in?’ he demanded to know.
‘We are left with the obvious explanation: someone, for some reason, opened our package and removed a flash drive containing documents that were damaging to the Biden family.’
As a side note, Carlson added that he would only report on documents that shed light on the Biden family’s business dealings, and Joe Biden’s potential role in them, saying he was not interested in airing sordid personal matters.
Tony Bobulinski, Hunter Biden’s former business partner, claims Joe Biden was aware of his family’s deals, and that Hunter called his father ‘my chairman’ in business correspondence
Carlson first detailed the mystery of the vanishing documents during his Wednesday evening show on Fox News, where he also aired new audio of Hunter Biden’s business partners sharing concerns that their secrets would ‘blow up big time’.
‘They searched the plane, and the trucks that carried it; they went through the office in New York where our producers dropped that package off, they combed the entire sorting facility, they used pictures of what we had sent, so the searchers would know what to look for,’ Carlson said on Wednesday.
‘They went above and beyond, but found nothing.’
He said the courier company was ‘baffled and deeply bothered by this’.
‘And so are we,’ he concluded.
But on Thursday morning, UPS said it had located the missing files.
‘After an extensive search, we have found the contents of the package and are arranging for its return. UPS will always focus first on our customers, and will never stop working to solve issues and make things right,’ a spokesman said.
In his show on Wednesday, Carlson also revisited his interview the previous night with Bobulinski and aired new audio.
In the clips Rob Walker, a former Clinton official and family friend of the Bidens’ who was one of the five men in their company Sinohawk, said that he was concerned their story would ‘blow up big time’.
Sinohawk, active in 2017 and wound down in 2018, comprised of Hunter Biden, his uncle Jim – Joe’s brother – Bobulinski, Walker, and a British businessman James Gilliar.
Gilliar, a British businessman, is based in the Czech Republic.
He had known Bobulinski, Bobulinski said, for many years.
Walker, an investor in tech, was brought into the company by the Bidens. His wife Betsy used to work for Jill Biden.
Walker is heard, on the phone with Bobulinski and Gilliar, saying: ‘I just think that if somebody comes out now and verifies the story it blows up big time that’s all.’
Gilliar, in a second clip, appears equally concerned, saying: ‘We’ve got this situation now where it’s escalating again because somebody, allegedly one of us three, has qualified the story. Already it’s back on the front pages.’
Bobulinski, in a third clip, says that their company is attracting attention from the Chinese firm they wish to work with as a result of the Biden name.
‘He was there because he was selling his family’s name and that’s the whole reason why the Chinese were there,’ says Bobulinski.
‘The Chinese would’ve never been there if the Biden name wasn’t there.’
Carlson did not air anything more to give context of the conversation.
Tony Bobulinski releases audio of ‘Biden family friend imploring him not to go public’ – and claims Joe’s brother chuckled and said ‘plausible deniability’ allows the family to ‘get away with it’
Tony Bobulinski came forward this week with an audio recording from earlier this month which he claimed showed an associate of Hunter Biden, Rob Walker, trying to silence him.
Bobulinski, a former Navy lieutenant spent six months in business with Hunter and Walker in 2017, trying unsuccessfully to get a joint venture called Sinohawk with a Chinese firm off the ground.
He appeared on Carlson’s Fox News show on Tuesday night, in the host’s most-watched show so far this year. According to Nielsen data obtained by DailyMail.com, the interview averaged 7.6 million total viewers and 1.6 million in the demo
During the interview, an audio clip was played of Walker allegedly warning Bobulinski not to go public with information about their business.
‘If he doesn’t come out on record I am providing the facts,’ Bobulinski told Walker, whose wife works for Jill Biden.
‘You’re just going to bury all of us, man,’ Walker, described on the show as a Biden family representative, allegedly replied in the October 18 conversation.
During the interview, Bobulinski also claimed that in 2017, he asked Joe Biden’s brother Jim – who was part of their business consortium – how he could ‘get away with’ all their business dealings.
Bobulinski claimed that Jim replied: ‘Plausible deniability.’
Bobulinski further claimed during the interview that he had met Joe twice – both times in Los Angeles, on the night of May 2, 2017, and the morning of May 3, 2017.
Bobulinski previously said he had only met Joe once – on the night of May 2.
Tony Bobulinski spoke to Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night in an interview from Los Angeles
Joe Biden, pictured with his son Hunter in 2009, says he was unaware of Hunter’s businesses
Bobulinski calls Joe a liar
Bobulinski has since early October been pushing the story of his time in business with Hunter, 50, and his claims that Joe was involved in the attempts to make deals with their Chinese partners.
Bobulinski and Hunter formed a company in 2017, specializing in infrastructure investment. No deals appear to have been completed, and the firm folded in 2018.
Joe had left the White House and was a private citizen at the time.
Nevertheless, he has insisted he and his son never discussed business – which Bobulinski claims is untrue.
‘That’s a blatant lie when he states that,’ Bobulinski told Carlson.
‘It’s a blatant lie.’
Tucker Carlson devoted the full hour of his show on Tuesday to the interview with Bobulinski
Bobulinski held a press conference ahead of the final presidential debate last week, but did not take questions.
‘It was made clear to me that Joe Biden’s involvement was not to be made in writing, but only face to face.’
Bobulinski is listed as one of the recipients of a May 13, 2017, email detailing their business deal, and he claims that ‘the big guy’ mentioned is a reference to Joe, whom he claims Hunter regularly asked for business advice.
Joe has always insisted he was not involved in Hunter’s numerous business ventures.
His team and Hunter’s lawyers have not responded to DailyMail.com’s request for comment.
On Friday Bobulinski reportedly spoke to the FBI and handed over three cell phones which he said contained ‘evidence’. He did not say of what.
‘Obviously the world is aware that I attended the debate last Thursday and in that debate, he made a specific statement around questions around us from the president and I’ll be honest with you, I almost stood up and screamed a liar and walked out because I was shocked that after four days that they prepped for this at the Biden family is taking that position to the world,’ Bobulinski told Carlson.
Two meetings with Joe Biden
Bobulinski, in Tuesday night’s interview, told in additional detail how he had allegedly met Joe in Los Angeles.
‘I first met with Hunter Biden and Jim Biden, and just had a light discussion where they briefed me that my dad’s on the way, and we won’t go into too much detail on the business front, but we will spend time talking at a high level about you, your background, the Biden family and then he’s got to get some rest because he is speaking at the conference in the morning,’ Bobulinaki said.
Joe was coming to Los Angeles to speak at the Milken Conference and discuss his ‘moonshot’ efforts to find a cure for cancer.
Asked by Carlson why Joe would meet him, Bobulinski emphasized that Hunter and Jim wanted him to meet Joe – it was not Bobulinski wanting to meet the former vice president.
‘They were sort of wining and dining me and presenting the strength of the Biden family to get me more engaged and taking on the CEO role and develop it both in the United States and around the world in partnership,’ he told Carlson.
‘And as you can imagine, I’ve been asked by a hundred people over the past month why would you be meeting with Joe Biden, and sort of turn the question around to people that ask me, why that 10:38 on the night of May 2nd would Joe Biden take time out of his schedule to sit down with me in a dark bar at the Beverly Hilton’s position – behind a column so people couldn’t see us – to have a discussion about his family and my family?’
Bobulinski was in business with Hunter, and the pair tried to set up Chinese investments
Bobulinski, pictured at a press conference ahead of Thursday’s debate, spoke on Tuesday
In Bobulinski’s telling, when Joe arrived with his security detail, Bobulinski ‘stood up out of respect to shake his hand.’
He continued: ‘And Hunter introduced me as: “this is Tony, the individual I told you about that’s helping us with the business we are working on in the Chinese.”‘
The group sat down.
Asked what they discussed, Bobulinski said that Jim ordered some food; they all ordered drinks; and Joe asked Bobulinski about his background and family.
‘He thanked me for my service, I’m obviously very proud of that,’ Bobulinski said.
‘Then he walked through his family, obviously some of the tragedies they’ve dealt with, his political career on a high level.
‘We didn’t go into too much detail on business because prior to Joe showing up, Hunter and Jim had approached me and said this is a high-level discussion meeting.
‘So it’s not like I was drilling down with Joe about details.’
Bobulinski told Carlson that, the following day, he had a second meeting with Joe.
‘I met with Joe Biden the morning of May 3rd at that conference, and then was taken backstage after Joe had spoken,’ he recalled.
‘We joked around for 10 minutes and then I walked out to his car, I think they referenced he was off to see lieutenant governor.’
Bobulinski said that, when they spoke, Joe ‘just asked how I did and what I thought of the speech.’
Bobulinski said: ‘I said great job in the speech, and obviously it’s a very serious thing we should all be working together to solve. I lost a sister-in-law to cancer.
‘And he just sort of asked me to keep an eye on his son and his brother.’
When Carlson asked what he meant, Bobulinski replied: ‘I think he was conscious of things and I can’t speak for him.’
Joe has never denied meeting Bobulinski, but neither has he explained the circumstances.
Bobulinski insisted he was telling his story because the American public needed to know
After Bobiulinski said goodbye to Joe on May 3, he went to meet Jim at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he said.
Jim Biden, seven years younger than Joe, spent two hours discussing the family’s story, and their careers.
Bobulinski told Carlson: ‘I know Joe decided not to run in 2016, but what if he ran in the future – aren’t they taking political risk or headline risk?
‘And I remember looking at Jim Biden and saying: “how are you guys getting away with this? Aren’t you concerned?”
‘And he looked at me and he laughed a little bit and said: “plausible deniability”.
‘He said it directly to me at the cabana at the Peninsula Hotel, after an hour and a half or two-hour meeting, with me asking out of concern how are you guys doing this, aren’t you concerned you will put your future presidential campaign at risk, the Chinese, the stuff you guys have been doing already in 2015 and 2016 around the world.
‘And I can almost picture his face where he sort of chuckles and says plausible deniability.’
Jim has not responded to DailyMail.com’s request for comment.
Joe Biden, pictured with his younger brother Jim, a businessman, in 2008
Jim Biden (pictured with wife Sara) formed a company with his nephew Hunter to work on infrastructure
Bobulinski told Carlson that he felt compelled to come forward following Joe’s repeated insistence that he had no involvement in Hunter and Jim’s businesses.
Bobulinski’s account of his dealings with Hunter, and his allegations about Joe was provided to the Wall Street Journal in late October.
The Journal began investigating the documents Bobulinski provided, and concluded, in a report published on the night of the debate, October 22, that there was no evidence Joe had any role in their company.
The New York Post had by that point published their own story involving Hunter’s emails, after Rudy Giuliani – Donald Trump’s lawyer – gave the paper a laptop he claimed belonged to Hunter.
The first story, on October 14, claimed that Hunter leveraged his father’s name to secure business deals in Ukraine. It did not mention Bobulinski’s name.
The following day, October 15, the Post published a second story, marking the first time Bobulinski’s name was mentioned.
The Post story looked at Bobulinski’s business dealings with Hunter, his uncle Jim and two other men – James Gilliar, a long-time friend of Bobulinski’s, and Rob Walker, a friend of the Bidens.
Walker’s wife Betsy is Jill Biden’s personal assistant.
Bobulinski said that, when people started speculating that he was some sort of Russian pawn, being played to discredit the Bidens so close to the election, he felt compelled to clear his name and publicly tell all he knew.
‘They brought in Russian disinformation and basically associated my name with that, which is absolutely disgusting to me and I had to go on the record,’ Bobulinski told Carlson.
‘We went through three years of every day Russia, Russia, Russia. It’s just absurd. The Cold War is over.’
‘Bury us all’
Bobulinski concluded that he had to make his case public, and clear his name.
Carlson said: ‘The Biden family knew that you were going public with this and you spoke to Rob Walker about it, the self-described Biden family representative. What was his response when you let him know that you were going public with this?’
Bobulinski replied: ‘Trying to coach me, trying to say we don’t want to do that, we don’t want press trucks out in front of our house and we have to move because it’s my job and all of that.
‘I’m not trying to cause any harm to anyone in this situation, let alone Rob Walker and his family, but basically, his position was if you go on record, you will bury all of us.’
Carlson broadcast the audio of Walker saying ‘bury all of us’, which had been recorded on October 18.
‘If he doesn’t come out on record I am providing the facts,’ Bobulinski told Walker.
Walker warns him: ‘Tony, you’re just going to bury all of us, man.’
Walker has not responded to DailyMail.com’s request for comment.
Rob Walker, one of the five in the business – Hunter and Jim, Bobulinski and James Gilliar
How it all ended
Bobulinski on Tuesday night provided an extremely complicated story as to how his business dealings with Hunter and Jim, Walker and Gilliar came to an end.
He said that the Chinese partners in the deal promised $10 million – $5 million as their capital funding, and $5 million as a loan to the Bidens.
But as the summer of 2017 dragged on, the money was not forthcoming, and the Chinese company began speaking to Russian investors – a development which worried Bobulinski, as he felt they would miss out to the Russians.
‘I did reach out to Hunter Biden in October 2017 asking him if they haven’t funded the $10 million to have you done something that I am no,’ he said, suggesting that Hunter Biden received money but used it for other purposes.
No evidence was provided of the Chinese ever paying money in to the company, and it was wound up officially in 2018.
What it means
Bobulinski on Tuesday night repeatedly stressed that he was ‘irrelevant’ in the story; that he had not wanted to appear on television, but that he felt the story needed to be told.
Asked what he thought this all meant, Bobulinski replied: ‘I think they are compromised.
‘I just don’t see, given the history here, and the facts, how Joe can’t be influenced in some manner based on the history that they have with stuff like that.’
Bobulinski said he had received death threats, and had a team of former Navy Seals stationed outside his family’s house.
Hunter Biden, left, has long been known for his failed business deals. He is pictured with his father
Joe Biden insists that he was never aware of what Hunter was doing in business
Hunter, pictured with his father in 2016, was exploring business deals around the world
Trump has seized upon the emails from Bobulinski, and others from a laptop that Hunter reportedly took to be repaired, as supposed evidence of the Biden family’s corruption.
Joe during Thursday night’s debate vehemently denied having ever taken any money from foreign governments.
The Biden campaign insists that Trump is attempting to divert attention away from his own shortcomings, and Trump critics have suggested that it is part of a Russian-orchestrated disinformation plot.
On Sunday night, in a 60 Minutes interview, Biden spoke out about the laptop scandal and the emails that have been found detailing plans for business ventures involving China and Ukraine.
Joe said he believed that Giuliani, who has touted the laptop around various media outlets seeking publicity, was being used by Russia.
‘From what I’ve read and know, the intelligence community warned the president that Giuliani was being fed disinformation from the Russians,’ Biden said.
‘And we also know that Putin is trying very hard to spread disinformation about Joe Biden.
‘And so when you put the combination of Russia, Giuliani, the president, together – it’s just what it is.
‘It’s a smear campaign because he has nothing he wants to talk about. What is he running on? What is he running on?’